Wow..I take back all of the nice things I said to & about the Ex-MORmON now apparent psycho Cheryl, because she has now proven that she’s nothing but a LIAR & an ardent Steve Benson supporter, all of a sudden, which must excite Stevie BOY!! She is now completely denying that this event(that I 100% honestly reported on my Mormon Truth blog 5 years ago), even happened & she’s now calling me a “liar, creep, lowlife”, etc, etc over in RFM. I have NEVER had a fight with Cheryl publicly or privately! So that’s the thanks I get Cheryl..well right back at you..this is my thanks to you & your little, pathetic buddies Suzie Q#1 & Steve Benson in response to this bullshit!
So I just wanted to set the record straight that I no longer feel the same way about “Cheryl” or whatever the fuck her real name is, as she claims I’m not even allowed to mention her name, like it’s illegal(FUCKING SUE ME THEN)..who the fuck does she think she is & WHY did I ever defend her & why is she lying her ass off & starting a personal ware with me calling me every name she can think of?!! Wow, was I misguided or what?
Am I pissed off & dropping some FUCK bombs over this…you’re damn fucking right, because they are lying their asses off & smearing me in the process with a cheering squad(of people who may or may not know me..I’m sure they’re being told behind the scenes who I am by those who do know), especially Susan I/S & Steve Benson! I guess I was still more gullible back then than I thought I was, as I’d only been out of MORmONISM for a few months & even thought I might still be a Christian & that Cheryl might actually be a good human being..sorry guys..MY BAD!! Oh & why didn’t they use my name..you know..SAMUEL the UTAHNITE?! If you’re gonna talk shit about someone…USE THEIR FUCKING NAME..LOL!
How many of you would just allow a bunch of people with a mob mentality, to completely lie about & trash you? You wouldn’t defend yourselves & be pissed off? I mean look at what Cheryl is doing to me, based on complete bullshit & exaggerated events that never happened as she obviously told Cheryl they did. When I post my debate with SuzieQ#1 here, everyone will see how everything was distorted & based on lies!
I will state AGAIN, for the record, that the events I reported on my Mormon Truth blog 5 years ago & here now, are 100% ACCURATE & CORRECT & that anyone stating they didn’t happen are the liars & I’m specifically talking about Cheryl, Steve Benson & Suzie Q#1, who just hates me & stirred all this shit up because I smoked her ass a couple of weeks ago over in Facebook, as she claimed that MORmONISM was NOT A CULT & anyone that said it was, was a joke & now she’s buddies with Steve Benson, who hates MORmONISM? WTF?! I guess I’m helping to bring enemies together..YOU’RE WELCOME!!
Hell, I hadn’t even thought about Cheryl until I got a report that Steve Benson was at it again, 5 years later, fully supported & defended by the RFM moderator Susan I/S just like 5 years ago & now also strongly supported by Cheryl & Suzie Q#1, who worship the ground he walks on & kiss his ass up one side & down the other stroking his huge…uh…ego, which “THE KING OF RFM” just LOVES!!
Funny how Steve Benson instantly knew exactly what was being discussed, out of the blue, when he was no where to be found on Facebook & my name was never even publicly mentioned on RFM…hmm..I had often wondered who from Arizona had kept Googling “Steve Benson RFM” over the last 5 years..LOL! I’m one of the few Ex-Mormons to have the cojones or that has taken the time to expose this pathetic & belligerent asshole & his “arrangement” with Susan I/S, Eric K & RFM!
Just Google “Steve Benson, RFM”(or now “SuzieQ#1 RFM” or “Cheryl RFM”) & read away folks, as I have 2 entire posts directed squarely at your majesty & he can’t do a fucking thing about it. Steve Benson is an Ex-MORmON bully but he can’t bully me or anyone other Ex-Mormon & get away with it, because I simply won’t allow it!
I think Steve is a pretty damn good cult leader though, as he sucks his little fans in with his repetitive ad nauseum copy & pastes, OVER & OVER & brainwashes them to the point where they honestly believe his shit don’t stink..well done Stevie..Joseph Smith would be very proud of you & so would your dead Gramps “do what we say even if it’s wrong..we can never lead you astray..don’t follow us & SUFFER” Ezra Taft Benson!
Hey Steve Benson, Cheryl & Suzie Q#1, FUCK YOU ALL! I was originally gonna just include Steve Benson in my “FUCK YOU”..but decided to throw in the 2 main players in this latest event..damn that felt good & I enjoyed that…hey Susan I/S..are you gonna delete or edit my comment now..LOL..oh wait…YOU CAN’T..damn that must suck eh..to be so powerless at this moment?!!
Oh, by the way, for those who don’t know..I’m an Atheist now & didn’t know what I believed yet when I wrote that post 5 years ago..I’ve come a very long ways since then!! Make no mistake about it, Steve Benson was also ruthlessly attacking Sandra & Jerald Tanner that night & Jerald was on his death bed & again..THOSE ARE FACTS..be proud of who you are Steve..don’t cower & pussy out now..STAND STRONG & BE THE PROUD ASSHOLE THAT YOU ARE!
Oh & as far as me blocking Suzie Q#1 in Facebook; she had already de-friended me, all of her comments had vanished before my eyes right after our conversation(which I was prepared for & had already copied) & I assumed that she’d blocked me or was about to..so I just blocked her first..at least she admits THE TRUTH in her comments below, stating that she was going to block me & I beat her to it, after basically bitching about how I’d blocked her. What were some saying about mental instability again?
She said:
“I think I know who you are referring to, has a big blog also. I think this is the same fellow that got so angry with me he blocked me on Facebook! 
Probably beat me to it as I was trying to block him. He became nasty and abusive to me, personally on Facebook.”
Uh Suzie, you’re now lying AGAIN & you know it..let’s be honest..you became nasty, insulting & personally abusive to me first & I responded accordingly & YOU FUCKING KNOW IT!! I laid this out repeatedly during our heated & passionate DEBATE where you kept insulting me & then complaining that I was insulting you when I was trying to remain cordial until I couldn’t any longer…REMEMBER or did you conveniently forget just to impress your pathetic & gullible friends & fans in RFM?
I will post the ENTIRE transcript word for word from our FACEBOOK debate & let everyone decide for themselves who got “NASTY” first & even your RFM pals will have to admit it was you or just lie, like you incessantly lie. You’re really a pathetic individual! At the very worst, we were both nasty & insulting to each other in the end(but I could handle it, you obviously could not take a dose of your own medicine), while you claimed you were an angel the whole time..I’ll prove otherwise.
Oh yeah, I almost forgot, is Suzie Q#1, the “FAKE NAME” you’re hiding behind in RFM or your “REAL NAME”?!! Oh & stating that I might be “dangerous in person”..I mean seriously, WHAT THE FUCK Suzie..you don’t even know me at all..I guess I could say that if I met you in person, you’d try to kill me or maybe murder my wife & kids or be a prostitute & try to seduce me…it makes about as much sense now doesn’t it?! I’m the one who gets threatened, not the other way around! NEVER ONCE HAVE I PHYSICALLY THREATENED ANYONE & I’D LIKE TO YOU PROVE WHERE I HAVE? You make up so many fucking lies, that it makes me sick! People actually like you? REALLY?!!
You have “friends” in RFM..well that speaks volumes about their character or maybe they just don’t know who you really are, like I found out in Facebook that night! Talk about unfair & misrepresentation..HOLY SHIT GUYS!! At least I have several of my own platforms where I can address these falsities & set the record straight & expose THE TRUTH & FACTS, which I’ve been doing for over 5 years now.
Hey SuzieQ#1, wasn’t it you that stated an anti-RFM didn’t make sense & you were lecturing me about that, since it had helped so many people? Well, an anti-Ex-Mormon or Anti-Samuel the Utahnite doesn’t make much sense then either, since I have helped a lot of people over the last 5 years & continue to do so. Once again, full of contradictions & lies or maybe you are just nuts!!
The only times I’ve ever said anything remotely close to a physical threat to anyone, was to MORmONS who have repeatedly Emailed me over the last 5 years, threatening to kill me & my entire family for instance, in cold blood, describing in gruesome & graphic details how they’ll cut our heads off, kill my wife & kids first so that I can watch & suffer & I said that I would do whatever it took to defend my family & that I would kill them in SELF-DEFENSE before they killed us if that was what I needed to do.
Any sensible person, especially normal people, in particular Ex-Mormons who have also experience death threats would most likely agree with me, as would law enforcement & the courts if it came to that, as it would clearly be SELF-DEFENSE. But yeah, according to Suzie Q#1, I should just use my real name so that these people could just Google me & indeed murder me & my family, which would probably make her day..who’s the dangerous one here?
Maybe that was you sending me those Emails all these years..just thought I’d throw that out there for fun, since you don’t know me at all & are publicly speculating about whether I might be possibly “dangerous”, therefore egging on others(who do not have the facts or transcript of our conversation) to speculate on whether I’d be a danger to you or them & if I should be “reported”, if I’m “off”, “mentally ill”, etc..Suzie, you really are fucked in the head dear & I want you to PROVE one thing I said to you that was a physical threat in anyway..JUST ONE!
I mean GOOD GOD..you can’t have a passionate debate with someone over the Internet without feeling you’re in physical danger & then spreading bullshit like this about them after they’ve humiliated your ass, just for vengeance & to get even with them for embarrassing you?
Like I said, you’re absolutely pathetic & need to be exposed & I’m gonna do it!! You want a public fight & war..YOU’VE GOT IT & I have a lot more at my disposal to embarrass & expose you than you do me..mainly THE TRUTH & FACTS, blogs, websites & podcasts! That’s also why I copied the ENTIRE conversation we had that night, just in case you tried to pull this shit on me because I KNEW just from talking to you that you were very vindictive & extremely “MENTALLY ILL”. Hell it had been 2 weeks or so & I hadn’t even thought about you even once..it was over that night for me…so who told Cheryl & got her all riled up Suzie Q#1?! Be honest now, even though all you know how to do is LIE! BRING IT ON is all I can say!
Did Suzie Q#1 purposely lie & tell Cheryl that I was actually ATTACKING HER that night? Does Cheryl absurdly think that the ENTIRE conversation that night was about her & that I’ve been talking about this for 5 years..I probably haven’t talked about it since that very night, after I’d posted it on my blog & she didn’t agree with me being deleted, as she had THANKED me for my kindness..cue the fucking Twilight Zone music, as her head is in the clouds or up Steve Benson’s & Suzie Q#1′s ASSES!!
In fact Cheryl was a very small part of our conversation that night as the majority was Suzie Q#1 & myself going at it & my opinion of the asshole Steve Benson & his abuse. I simply used that example of Cheryl as one of the many examples as to why I left RFM after Steve Benson was very abusive to her that night, for no apparent reason & Susan I/S nor anyone else, did anything about it..ALL 100% TRUE. I spent most of the time reading Suzie Q#1′s intense defense of the wonderful Mormon church, which her cultist hubby still proudly belongs to(& she’s proud that he’s a MORmON), that it is NOT A CULT in any way, shape or form(in fact it’s laughable, offensive & absurd to say that it is a cult & anyone who does is an uneducated idiot & nuts according to her.
In fact, she found it offensive & hilarious(she kept laughing) that I found MORmONISM to be a dangerous cult, who has never hurt anyone ever, except for a few rare examples or instances. She spent the rest of her time passionately defending her best buddy in the world Steve Benson & she actually bragged about calling him a Jackass I think 9 times without intervention by Susan I/S..after she’d said 3 times previously..she claimed to have the transcripts..I told her I’d like to see those transcripts..but she never sent them to me..LOL!!
I gave her my Email address & we could have even continued our discussion privately if she’d wanted to..but she wanted to make it public, so I will once again respond accordingly, just as I did that night. I wonder how many of you even know what a soft spot Suzie Q#1 has for the MORmON CULT..in fact, since “defense of the faith” is banned in RFM, Suzie Q#1 would have had most of her comments deleted that night if we’d had that discussion in RFM.
I will post our entire Facebook discussion right here in the comment section, so that everyone can read it & decide for themselves what THE TRUTH is. Yes I was very strong with her that night & eventually very insulting & personal, as she was with me..but after you all read what she had said to me & the way she said it..you’ll completely understand that she wasn’t the little, innocent, loving choir girl that she falsely portrays herself to be. Then again, maybe she really believes that she is this wonderful, kind women, because she kept pointing out over & over how nice she’d been to me all night after mocking & trashing me repeatedly.
I kept saying to her to go back & read our conversation & then she finally cut me off, after repeatedly threatening to do so & then SHE quickly de-friended me & then I blocked her. Those are THE FACTS, which I pride myself on & when you have THE FACTS & TRUTH on your side, you have nothing to fear. I guess if you’re a pathological liar or delusional..you also have nothing to fear, right Suzie Q#0?
I also want to say that that night, 5 years ago here in RFM, because of Steve Benson’s behavior, Cheryl had even threatened to leave RFM, which I’m sure she’ll also deny(I just read the comments man) & I spent quite a bit of time writing her a very long response, asking her to please not leave, thanking her for being such a great person, telling her how much I & many others enjoyed her comments & wishing her & her daughter well, which she & many others appreciated & THANKED ME FOR. I also have a record of that & I will be posting that as well, in the comment section. I will prove, categorically, that Cheryl(if it’s the same woman..very had to believe that it is) is lying. Maybe with this new board, someone else has signed up as Cheryl..maybe SuzieQ#1 or Steve Benson? It’s very possible, because something isn’t making sense here!
Also, I thought it was a car accident, but if I’m wrong about that, I apologize. If she didn’t say it was a car accident(which I strongly think she did) fine..but knowing how she’s lying now about everything else that transpired that night in her little fantasy world of complete bullshit & lies..why wouldn’t she also lie about this just to make me look even shittier & more pathetic & in order for her to prove her point that I’m a “creep, lowlife”, etc! It just sounded like it when she announced to everyone that she’d just gotten a phone call & that her daughter “had been in” or “had had an accident” or I had just assumed that it was a car accident..if it wasn’t..tell everyone what the fuck happened then Cheryl, since you brought it up to begin with..hell, maybe she was lying her ass off that night simply to garner sympathy & it worked like a charm & can’t even keep her own lies straight..who knows but I do know people just like that.
But in the end, does it really fucking matter what type of “accident” her daughter had? Furthermore, Cheryl is livid & calling me all kinds of names & now libeling me because I simply mentioned an accident that her daughter had 5 years ago, as if it’s PERSONAL & claiming it’s very personal & I’m basically invading her privacy now & a it’s a private family matter, when she’s the fucking person that told everyone about it & announced it publicly in RFM, when RFM supposedly gets what..over a hundred thousands hits a day or something? REALLY.. WTF? Are you insane too Cheryl? You really want this fight? You already look really bad & it will only get worse for you when I post my comment(& other people’s comments in response to MY COMMENT, including YOUR RESPONSE CHERYL) to you from that night, which has also been on my blog for over 5 years now by the way!!
Hey Steve Benson, Cheryl(I’ve had it with your brutal lying, name calling & libeling me & I just can’t tolerate it nor will I just let it slide) & Suzie Q#1, FUCK YOU ALL! I was originally gonna just include Steve Benson in my “FUCK YOU”..but decided to throw in the 2 main players in this latest event(Steve is just a pathetic, loser tag-a-long, using & taking advantage of the moment to vent about my exposing of his true character in RFM 5 years ago & how pissed off he is about it & how blog pops up first when searching for him & RFM)..damn that felt good..hey Susan I/S..are you gonna delete or edit my comment..oh wait..YOU CAN’T..damn that must suck eh..to feel so powerful, yet to be so powerless at this moment?!! LOL!!
Also, for the record, I do not “get away often with posting under temporary anon names”..rather I’ve used one anon name every time over the last year or so(which is 100% allowed over there, as registration is NOT REQUIRED, RIGHT CHERYL?!!) & I think I may have posted there maybe a total of 3 times when I felt there was something important that needed to be discussed or exposed, w/ my thread maxing out in comments each time..once over 40 comments(I believe it was close to 50 actually, which is rare since the cut off is a strict 30) including yours Cheryl! So again, someone is filling Cheryl with a load of shit & she’s sucking it down with a smile, no brain & no questions, just like a good MORmON CULTIST WOULD DO & was taught to do..sad when it carries over to the rest of their life, isn’t it?! And I’m accused of lying..LOL! People need to get their fucking facts straight before opening their mouth & revealing no doubt about their utter stupidity!
I would have proudly & gladly responded to these bullshit accusations of Cheryl & others over in RFM where the conversation is currently taking place, however, if I show up over there as Samuel the Utahnite & re-register with their now new site..I can PROMISE that Susan I/S will IMMEDIATELY shut me down, edit every comment, most likely delete all my comments & NOT ALLOW ME to state my opinions & defense of these false accusations. Meanwhile, those who are libeling me & spreading one lie after another, with Susan I/S’s blessing(Rules-NO PERSONAL ATTACKS) once again, will be given the green light to keep on going & saying ANYTHING they want about me, without my ability to respond or defend my name.
So, I’ll do it here, outside of the clutches of the unfair & corrupt Susan I/S, where she has no authority over me & can’t stop me from saying anything I want about anyone, including her, as these are MY OPINIONS & it’s my right to speak them!! Cheryl is screaming victim, victimization while completely spewing utter bullshit about me!! Excuse me, who’s the victim?! Now if the losers & good people over in RFM would like this conversation to spill over to my website here, where the conversation will be unlimited & uncensored & archived FOREVER..I’m all for it & I won’t censor a single thing they say & we can get it on & rumble all day long, which I’d love & hope to do. So maybe someone should let them know that I’ve officially responded & we’ll put the ball in their court..sound good?!!
I seriously doubt any of those cowards will want to come over here where they aren’t safe & protected by moderators to an uncensored, unprotected environment & for fear of getting embarrassed by the FACTS that I’ll be posting! Then again, they might be scared too, because I’m so “DANGEROUS” & threatening to harm people, right SuzieQ#1?!! Cue the spooky Halloween music..call the cops..I have strong opinions & don’t back down & don’t allow people to walk on me…ooooh scary!!
Hey Cheryl, just one last word of advice..IF YOU DON’T WANT YOUR PERSONAL LIFE DISCUSSED PUBLICLY & YOU FIND IT DO DAMN OFFENSIVE IF ANYONE DOES TALK ABOUT IT; THEN MAYBE YOU SHOULDN’T OPENLY DISCUSS IT IN A PUBLIC FORUM..YA THINK? GOOD GOD..HOW OLD ARE YOU, 2!!
Now do I care or even give a shit who I’ve offended with this post..ABSOLUTELY NOT, because I’m defending MYSELF, my character & reputation against vicious & vile, unfounded personal attacks(just like everyone tells Cheryl she has the right to do as they applaud & encourage her to do without even knowing THE REAL TRUTH or for many, who I actually am) & outright lies that are REAL, all stirred up by SuzieQ#1 & her sidekick Cheryl..2 peas in a pod I suppose. Has anyone over in RFM even considered the fact that Cheryl & SuzieQ#1 could be lying? ANYONE?!!
Are they like Jesus Christ & beyond reproach & considered to be so perfect that they’d never concoct a story to fuck me over? I really don’t think Cheryl is in on it at all, because she’s been told terrible things that aren’t even true & believes them all..but SuzieQ#1 is diabolical knows what she has done & is doing & she knows it’s absolute bullshit..if she doesn’t..she’s more mentally & psychologically ill than I thought she was & probably laughing about this whole thing, as she feels she got her revenge on me…trust me, it ain’t over baby!! She’s now trying to play the pacifist, like she hasn’t done anything at all, when she’s clearly the catalyst of everything!! Ever read her correspondence with Daniel C. Peterson..a man I absolutely despise?
I’m gonna have to now take Daniel C. Peterson’s side after getting acquainted with this insane woman & maybe even feel a little sorry for him..although I think he actually had fun, like I did the other night schooling & exposing her antics, just like I’m doing now!! It was the same pattern with him..she attacks, accuses, offends, libels the other person & their character with the sole plan to really piss them off & provoke them & then in the end she plays the poor little martyr who was so abused for no reason by the person simple defending themselves.
They feel free to openly trash me, so I feel free to trash them..but the difference is that they are outright lying as Cheryl is out of her damn mind & I’m telling THE TRUTH, which I’ll prove when I have time to post all of the other info in the comment section from 5 years ago & 2 weeks ago! Those people who I’ve personally helped & who I help now, know who they are & they are the ONLY people I care about. I care about the people who hit my Mormon Truth blog over 6,000 times a month & who download & listen to my podcasts over 50,000 times a month.
By the way, if anyone was going to get personal info & try to post it on the Internet or threaten me or call my boss or family…it would be
Anyway, here are the comments so far over in RFM(I’ll keep adding more as they come..we’re up to 37 right now), for those that are interested..the 1st comment is by Cheryl of course, who was duped & obviously egged on & lied to by Suzie Q, which is what got the whole thing started, when it was OVER for me weeks ago, in fact 5 years ago:
Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: September 23, 2010 09:54PMI am galled & angry at, not a TBM, but a lowlife *EXMO*
It’s come to my attention that some exmo has been using my name, my reputation, and a chronic health conditon with one of my children to stir up trouble and hatred.
This creep has never met me and doesn’t care anything about what I think or feel.
He’s lying about something that happened on the recovery board nearly FiVE YEARS ago, something that was no concern of his.
In the world of cyberspace on sites I don’t frequent, this piece of slime has been retelling and misrepresenting an incident which occured when I was discussing an issue with a respected longterm fellow poster, someone this cyberslime happens to hate.
I was called away from the board that night because of a medical emergency in my family. And what does this idiot do? He jumps in to misrepresent my situation and to use it for his own nefarious agenda!
That’s bad enough, but the creep blamed RfM for not taking his side against the poster who I was conversing with.
AND **FIVE YEARS** later he’s still out there yammering about it in attempt to undermine me, my family, the other longtime poster, and RfM administration!
This is exactly the same situation as mormon temple dead dunking which I hate.
NO ONE has a right to use someone’s name and to misrepresent their life history for personal or cult gain if the person in question stongly objects or does not know about it.
So, what’s my advice?
Don’t listen to anyone who is out there claiming to be a friend of any cause unless those in question have signed off on the use of their name and their reputation.
For the record, I deeply appreciate RfM. It’s been a rich addition to my life for over a decade. I have no problem with its rules or deletion policy, except that I’d use the delete option MORE than they do, not less. I have no problem with the longterm poster this slimebucket despises.
I’m glad that the creep is deleted and I’m sorry he gets away as often as he does with posting under temporary anon names. His facebook and webpage rantings suggest that RfM has lost a vauable participant. No, admin swept out the trash in my opinion.
The guy can choose a new name, use it consistently, leave me out of his rantings, and be a MAN if he wants my respect. Until then, I’ll think of him as less than the slugs worming their way under rocks next to the dead carcus of a FARMS ass.
Posted by: Rebeckah ( )
Date: September 23, 2010 09:59PMRe: I am galled & angry at, not a TBM, but a lowlife *EXMO*
So, is this person actually an exMo? I assumed it was a Mormon troll.
(Not that it matters. A troll is a troll is a troll.)
Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: September 23, 2010 10:11PMMy husband said exactly that, Rebeckah.
I’d be sad to think of an exmo doing such a thing, being so deceitful and slimy after wallowing and finally escaping, as we all have, from the mormon slime pit.
I think most of us want to feel clean, honest, and decent after all we’ve suffered. Perhaps this creep is a mormon hanger-on-er or FARMS-type plant.
Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: September 23, 2010 10:05PMRe: I am galled & angry at, not a TBM, but a lowlife *EXMO* —– I think I know who you are
referring to, has a big blog also. I think this is the same fellow that got so angry with me he blocked me on Facebook! Probably beat me to it as I was trying to block him.
He became nasty and abusive to me, personally on Facebook.
Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: September 23, 2010 10:13PMYou’re probably right, Susie.
For some reason, you and I seem to come to the attention of the same creepy individuals.
Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: September 23, 2010 11:29PMYa, Cheryl, we’re love magnets! LOL (n/t)
Posted by: outofutah ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 12:49AMWelcome to the real world and yes, it’s happened to me…
In a number of ways I won’t go into (life’s too short) I, too have been maligned and impersonated by actual exmos on this board. Misrepresenting and LYING about things I had posted and also going on other sites, and defaming me and lying about situations.
exmos are no saints, they are people…
Get used to it!
Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 10:31AMTopping as fair warning
to the cypercreep and any who’ve been exposed its slime message for the last FIVE YEARS.
Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 01:32PMWelcome to the real world of the Internet where people can hurl any kind of absuridy personal or otherwise
and hide behind a fake name.
It’s open season for those filled with hate and rage and anger that don’t care about anyone but themselves and that power high they get lying and maligning other people.
They must be very unhappy people. Possibly dangerous in person. Certainly not anyone I would want to meet IRL
They think because they type something in cyberspace people will believe it. Repeat it ad nauseum and it must be true. And many people are so gullible they believe anything whether it’s true or not.
Make false claims about someone (happens to me a lot) with absolutely no factual evidence.
I can’t remember all the false (ridiculous) claims made about me (too numerous) by Mormons and former Mormons. Happens on this board also.
What to do? Counter it with factual info and it’s still challenged. Go figure.
Nothing left to do but: Laugh it off. It’s not real. It’s just cyberspace!
Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 01:42PMNot surprised . . .
I am familiar with what Cheryl is talking about and, yes, this exMo poster about whom she speaks with justifiable criticism is, in fact, lying.
I could amplify on this in this forum if Cheryl wishes, or if others (including perhaps Admin) think it would be appropriate to do so; otherewise, I will leave my comments as is.
Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 09/24/2010 02:37PM by steve benson.
Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 02:42PMIf you have more to say, I’d like to hear it.
I can’t speak for admin, but would guess they likely wouldn’t mind.
Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 07:04PMNo big deal . . .
The poster in question has an overly-active imagination that is not affected by the actual reality of the situation, as you well know.
I therefore don’t think it’s worth rehashing it in this thread.
Posted by: Primus ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 03:41PMWow, all my frequenting the board, and I had no idea a war…
Was going on…hmmm.
I can guess though at the two parties antagonizing each other, however, I didn’t know you had become part of it.
Interesting.
Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 04:29PMIt’s probably not a good thing to guess. That often leads to unnecessary drama and useless speculation. nt (n/t)
Posted by: bona dea ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 05:42PMRe: I am galled & angry at, not a TBM, but a lowlife *EXMO*
I read his comments on Facebook and told him I didn’t remember the exchange and didn’t think it sounded like Cheryl. I’m not defending the guy who was very rude to a poster on Facebook, but is it possible he has Cheryl mixed up with someone else? It is hard to remember every conversation you have had on a board and who you had it with. Just asking.
Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 05:08AMIf he’s your facebook friend, ask him your questions.
No need to ask them of me. I remember the incident, and I’ve said what is documented and true unlike your facebook associate who is a liar.
Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 07:21PM*One last comment on this, Cheryl. I’ve read the inventive version of your encounter . . .
. . . as it was aired (rhymes with “erred”) recently by the individual in question.
It is as fictional as the Book of Mormon itself–which is saying as lot (unless, as you suggest, the creator might be a gullible Mormon, who then wouldn’t think it’s fictional).
But as you and I both know (given that we both know who this person is), it’s a tall tale of the first order.
Speaking of which, I hope this individual is learning to chill out a bit with a cool lemonade on Kolob.
Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 12:30AMI totally agree with Steve on this. nt (n/t)
Posted by: munchybotaz ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 08:19PMDeleted (n/t)
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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 08:28PMIt’s safe to say that Cheryl and I both agree that the account in question is completely off-base. (n/t)
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Posted by: munchybotaz ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 08:37PMDeleted (n/t)
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Posted by: Greyfort ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 09:09PMRe: I am galled & angry at, not a TBM, but a lowlife *EXMO*
I’ve no idea what’s going on, but I can agree with being careful of scary people. I remember someone on-line being mad at me and they hacked into my computer through their girlfriend’s IM program, as she was on my list of friends.
Posted by: winecountrygirl ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 09:09PMObvious reminder: Yes, mentally ill people of all persuasions use the internet to
act out their dillusions and fantasys. Sometimes they act out in real life. Likely, if this person is “off” so as to be a danger to himself or others, he should be reported. It’s the only way to get them the help they need.
Posted by: munchybotaz ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 09:43PMDeleted (n/t)
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Posted by: steve benson ( )
Date: September 24, 2010 09:32PMIt would only fan the flames for the fringe element if posted here but . . .
. . . I have seen and have filed certain elements of the rants from this poster about the alleged episode of which Cheryl speaks.
Whacked. Completely whacked.
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Posted by: Troy ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 01:52AMRe: I am galled & angry at, not a TBM, but a lowlife *EXMO*
A lot of people come out of Mormonism with a bad attitude toward moralistic authority. Who can blame them? But it’s a problem when people turn to moral anarchy, as if the absense of Mormonism in their lives has taken away all of the ordinary moral duties that human beings do without having to be told. I’ve known a lot of exmos who seem to have an anything-goes existence. But the absence of religion and God doesn’t justify this. I think I could write a whole book about this, but not tonight. I’ve clashed with these exmos and they went after me too. Freeloading bastards! The negative effect it had on my life was more than I would ever admit, but being misrepresented is so unjust.
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Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 06:54AMIt makes NO sense to suggest that some stranger on the internet
knows more about *my* personal business than *I* do.
This character made up the story about a fictional car accident when in fact I had mentioned but did not elaborate on a medical emergency. Some might think this is only a minor side issue. Not me. I resent anyone misusing me and my family in an attempt to spread hate and misunderstanding.
To be clear:
I support RfM administration. I agreed with their decision to delete this individual on that hellish night of my family’s emergency.
I resent the fact that some stranger would use this against me, against another regular poster, and against RfM generally.
I hope this person is banned from RfM for good until and unless they choose a consistent name and begin to follow RfM rules.
I have no problem with the longterm poster this crackpot hates.
It’s inappropriate in the extreme to continue for five years to rant about a momentary incident reported on the internet when it didn’t even involve the person stuck on it for so long. This individual is capitalizing on my misfortune, unfairly maligning others, showing a stark disreguard for the truth, as well as an appalling lack of integrity and human compassion.
Posted by: Nightingale ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 04:36PMRe: It makes NO sense to suggest that some stranger on the internet
I’m sorry this is happening Cheryl. I don’t do FB (need time at some point to figure it out) so can’t personally track some of these things that go on. I’m always glad, though, to see people try to set the record straight.
SQ said:
“Nothing left to do but: Laugh it off. It’s not real. It’s just cyberspace!”
I somewhat understand SQ’s take on how to handle this kind of thing. It’s true to some extent that there are some things you can’t change and some minds that are forever made up that don’t seem to bother with facts. But I wouldn’t say “it’s not real” about “cyberspace”. There are many examples of how something on the Net can negatively impact a person’s real life. This is particularly so if the matter relates to one’s reputation, behaviour, integrity, beliefs, actions and so on.
I’ve seen some untrue and/or negative comments about myself on boards I’ve never even heard of til that point. It’s difficult to just let it be and not try to correct the misinformation or unfairly negative remarks. You may not change the poster’s stubborn, unfair, deceitful mind (or whatever their traits are that cause them to post in such an unfair and unjust manner) but many readers will at least get the opportunity of hearing your side of it if you decide to answer the untruthful statements.
Too, I think of it somewhat like a trademark issue. If an entity that owns a trademark does not rigorously defend its brand it can lose the trademark, which has obvious devastating impacts. The owner of the trademark must be seen to be correcting instances of misuse (for example, when its brand name is used as a general term for an object instead of as a proper name for a specific product with capital letters). If Kimberly-Clark, which makes Kleenex, allows the world to use the word “kleenex” as a generic term for a disposable hanky it could lose its right to own the brand name. That is why you will see announcements to that effect in various publications (i.e., in writers’ magazines,there are often blurbs to remind writers to respect brand names by capitalizing them and using them correctly).
I consider that our reputations should be protected by ourselves, as far as is possible, if we value them. This is especially so for people who have name-recognition, in my view. In that case, I consider that they are a “brand” and should strive to protect their reputations, in the same way that companies protect their products by safeguarding their brand names. You can see how disgraced athletes, for instance, lose sponsorships. That is how important a brand image is in this world.
One example of the individual-as-brand is Tal Bachman. If his reputation were under attack, especially by people lying and misrepresenting his views, character, actions, beliefs and behaviour, he may need to take steps to protect his brand as being tarnished in that way could adversely affect his reputation and his livelihood.
Another example that comes to mind is when a poster here, years back, stated that Steve Benson’s family were Nazis. It is a serious enough charge – and blatantly untrue – that Steve didn’t just take it as part of the normal discourse, part of the usual cut and thrust of debate here – it went way too far over the line for that.
In times like that, you need to protect your “brand” and there are valid reasons for doing so. In recent memory in my own posting life, another poster repeatedly called me “deceitful”. I asked many times for examples of such, as I couldn’t just sit back and allow someone to make such a comment and let it go unchallenged. I strive to exhibit integrity in all of my life, including my interactions on the Net, and I value my reputation in that regard. If someone wants to charge that I am not truthful, they need to prove it, and I will always demand such, in order to protect my “brand”, even as an anon poster. I still see that “Nightingale” is a brand that deserves protection from lies.
Too, it is very often the case that silence is seen as agreement or at least as having no defence to the charges. Silence from other posters in the face of a fellow poster being attacked or maligned can be seen as agreement with the attacker, especially by the poster under attack who may feel all alone in cyberspace if nobody speaks up – not in knee-jerk defence mode, due to side-taking, but in defence of what is true.
I think that it is *not* “just cyberspace” when the printed word can impact a person’s life.
That is why I understand why Cheryl is annoyed at what is happening (even though we don’t know the details of the attack) and why she and Steve and any of us would seek to set the record straight.
Silence isn’t golden in cases like this. Rather, it can be seen as being a position of weakness or worse, agreement with the (false) charges that others may so unjustly throw out there onto the World Wide Web, and mud does stick, if you let it.
I’m all for “brand” protection, including one’s own personal reputation. If someone misrepresents me or otherwise lies or trashes me in some major way, I am going to respond to that. How much more so would people who use their own names and identities, like Tal, Cheryl, Steve, and others in that category.
Thanks, Cheryl, for the interesting topic, even if we don’t all know the whole story.
(Edited for clarity)
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Posted by: dagny ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 04:57PMThis seems a little cryptic to me.
If some of you are sure and have the facts, why can’t we just out this person here so we all know who you are talking about?
Having the information about this person might save others some anguish and might prevent this person from more bad behavior. Or, I guess it might make him worse or submit Eric to more problems?
I’m sorry this has happened to Cheryl. I’d be pissed too. I’d want to know who is being a snake so I could be warned and wise to his tactics.
Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 05:07PMThank you, Dagny.
Sorry to be so cryptic. You assumed correctly that I and others don’t want to cause any more possible harm or aggrivation to Eric, Susan, Steve, or others.
This isn’t someone who consistently uses real or consistent names.
Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 05:00PMBless you for understanding, Nightingale.
I’m terribly sorry someone made those unfounded assusations against you, a person of lonstanding proven honesty and profound integrity.
Thank you.
Posted by: libby ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 05:10PMsounds like the guy is one to stay away from
I wonder about people who rage about Mormonism because, no religion is all bad.
I read a blog in which the writer seemed so angry and vile his venom was almost palpable. I would be scared to know that person. It freaked me out that anybody could be so vicious. He called Mormons morons, made super angry and hateful remarks about every Mormon leader, and when people made comments, he just lamblasted them. And he seemed to rant about perceived wrongs on and on ad nauseum.
I have seen other blogs where the person is just explaining how things happened, why they left LDS church and I got the impression they were doing better outside Mormonisn. those kind of posters deliver more of a punch because they don’t come across as crazy.
Posted by: Cheryl ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 05:32PMActually, (1) raging with honesty against mormonism can be healthy.
The problem I object to is (2) covertly LYING and unfairly smearing people for personal gain behind their backs.
(1) is done with factual honesty and a goal of recovering from a destructive cult.
(2) is conniving, using deceit to further a nefarious personal agenda and to do harm to targeted individuals and prevent free communication and recovery those who are trying to help those in need of healing and support.
Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 05:37PMI am of the opinion that I control what impacts my life from cyberspace.
I believe in the intelligence and common sense of other human beings to know when something is true and fits what I know about someone and when something “doesn’t make sense, so it’s probably not true” about them.
I am a believer in my own personal power to diminish any and all negative impact from my emotional well being — especially by people who are negative cyberspace entities.
I don’t give negativity, and those exercising their demons on cyberspace the power to impact my personal life other than to show me, teach me, again, and again, the horrible anger and rage some people live their lives in. And what a terrible life that is.
False accusations, lies, etc., have no power to personally, emotionally, negatively impact my life. I simply won’t allow it.
They simply are not valid, not about me, in the first place.
That kind of behavior is about the other person and their demons.
This is part of what I mean by taking your power back. It applies to cyberspace.
Posted by: BadGirl ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 05:53PMNot always, Suzie. I know of some really bad incidents that started in
cyberspace but then invaded people’s real lives. There are some real messed-up, destructive people out there.
I’ve known of arguments on message boards that ended up with the wacko contacting the victims employer or family members, posting their addresses on sex sites, etc. The victims have sometimes had to MOVE, and law enforcement get involved.
Cyberspace can become REAL very easily.
Posted by: Rebeckah ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 06:05PMI have friends from another forum going through something very similar right now.
I’ve personally had an unethical blog author publically post my email address AND IP number because I angered him with my comments.
SusieQ may have been fortunate enough not to have experienced the harm that can be done in cyberspace but it is very real. I hope you are keeping a full record of these attacks, Cheryl. If it becomes necessary to defend yourself in a court of law they can prove invaluable.
Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( )
Date: September 25, 2010 06:00PMI know “BadGirl” — I am in no way am discounting those kinds of
situations. I understand and have read about those kinds of extreme cyber-bullying, and intrusions into life outside cyberspace.
I was directing my comments to how I handle those kinds of things personally, and emotionally in the general “LLPF Syndrome” (Liar Liar Pants on Fire” in cyberspace — most often posters on web sites.
*UPDATE*-
Cheryl then started yet another post directed right at me again, but Susan I/S FINALLY stepped in & shut it down & told them to “stop feeding this guy”(PLEASE, FEED ME, FEED ME DUMB SHITS), stating ”Cheryl has set the record straight As she felt she needed to do” & everyone quickly bowed their head, fell into line, kissed Susan I/S’s ASS & said yes my Lord & obeyed the almighty Susan I/S with no questions asked, just like good little cultists do. Amazing that Susan I/S is literally their new cult leader & they don’t even realize it..VERY SAD!
Of course it did take 60+ comments trashing me & me mentioning that a libel lawsuit could be a strong & necessary possibility(if this continues & is allowed by the moderators who are allowing it to happen without my ability to go there & defend myself)..to finally get her to act & give a shit.
The ironic thing is how they are attacking me for getting nasty & just defending myself, when they’re all just perfectly fine with Cheryl attacking me with lies & exaggerations & going fucking crazy & apparently snapping pyschologically & emotionally(I hope she’s okay) & calling me multiple names over & over, in almost every post, including “CREEP” how many times now? But NO PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE ALLOWED, right Susan I/S?! Oh, those rules only apply to me if I were to attack back & defend myself! Maybe Cheryl has checked into a mental instution by now & SuzieQ#1 should go join her & they can share the rubber room together..LOL!
I’m just glad that I can have such a massive impact on everyone over in RFM after all these years & am so important to them & I really appreciate all of the great hits I’m now getting on my new site(& my other sites as my hits are all up across the board) since this happened. I haven’t really advertised this new site that much, but now I’m getting over 200 hits a day already…so I guess it worked out in the end…THANKS AGAIN guys!
But Cheryl & SuzieQ#1 are 2 fucking batshit crazy chicks & a complete disgrace & embarrassment to ALL Ex-Mormons & the whole Ex-Mormon community!! I hope they enjoy Googling their names & RFM & seeing the search results..LOL! Keep talking & I’ll keep making sure your names are all over the fucking place on MY SITES, which tell THE TRUTH about your LIES!
You’ve said what you want to say uninterupted & I’m gonna do the same thing to you in return & enjoy every moment. This is MY HOUSE & I’m gonna say whatever I want & none of you can control a fucking word I say & there is NO ONE to protect you now! Was it worth it Suzie Q#1..you lying pyscho!!
Oh, I’m also gonna record a podcast explaining the whole incidient to everyone out there that doesn’t know the details & it will be available for free over on iTunes & probably downloaded THOUSANDS of times & will be there FOREVER! I want future Ex-Mormons to be warned & know who to stay away from & I will make sure to do that & they’ll thank me for it!
So it’s funny that Cheryl THINKS I did something horrible & was trying to somehow “PROFIT” from her daughter’s accident(HOW?), that I’ve been obsessing about this event for 5 years(I haven’t thought about it at all until I mentioned it to Suzie Q#1 & then was falsely accused of complete BULLSHIT) & then she can go on a justified rampage against me, with no facts & then I defend myself & I’m the crazy one, who’s a “CREEP”, “VILE” & “MENTALLY UNSABLE!” WOW is all I can really say!
Here are the other comments, which they predicted I’d also copy…DUH…THEY WERE RIGHT..LOL..DUMB SHITS:
Posted by: Cheryl Date: September 25, 2010 08:58PM I’m not here “to deliver a punch” or to avoid offending mormons. LOL!
It’s hilarious that we already have probable mormon plants on this wonderful new site, and their intent is to curb free expression. This is what a couple of them said On my current thread about the slime who wants to take down me and my friends here.
These questionable morgish characters suggested that the quickest way to stir up trouble with anyone is to criticize their religion.
I don’t agree. That IS the quickest way to annoy mormons, but not members of normal churches. No one wants their religious views denegrated, but only mormons and very very cultish religious groups go crazy, claim persecution, or go for blood when they sense that someone thinks their cult is anti-family, racist, sexist, or homophobic.
I have NEVER felt I must constrain my distain for the mormon church policy and practice on this Recovery from Mormonism site.
How does one recover from an abusive cult?
By ranting and by picking apart every detail of how, why, when, where and in what ways the cult has harmed members. Raging against these evils is a good thing in my opinion. Worrying about how random mormons my take the truth? Not my problem.
My post about the creep who has been railing against the administrators and posters on RfM for five years based on imagined slurs against me has nothing to do with any silly notion that we should attempt to deliver a punch or be concerned about dummy TBMs who might wander into this venue. My advice to those TBM interloper types is to wake up and smell the coffee, or stay the heck away from this recovery from the mormon cult site.
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Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: Connecticut ( ) Date: September 25, 2010 09:16PM Re: I’m not here “to deliver a punch” or to avoid offending mormons. LOL!
Great statement, I totally agree with you and this definitely is one abusive cult. This should be the one place we should feel free to sound off after years of being deceived and lied too. I really enjoy all of your posts. Good luck to you….
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: JoD3:360 ( ) Date: September 25, 2010 09:24PM Ireally don’t think mormons are the worst crybabies
I have a few associates who are born-Agains of one stripe or another- one of them is a hardcore Southerm Bsptist, and another is a Assembly of God character. Neither of them can tolerate the slightest challenge to their faith or the reality of the scriptures. On the other hand, I usually see the mormons in my area react much less forcibly… except when it is one of their own who challenges them…
But the Baptist guy is total “believe or you burn in Hell”, and if you say anything about the current prez dude, or the Clinton dude or anything that is not far-right conservative and bible based, you have to deal with his ranting and raving.
The AoG guy is total in-your-face, holierthanthou when it come to religion. And of course we also have an atheist,a Muslim, me a mormon at the time and we also have a couple liberals in the department. The only thing they all had in common was openly hating me for being a mormon and quietly hating the Muslim guy.
Yes, mormons are thin skinned. But at the same time, they relish being picked on because it proves that the church is true. And even more than that, anything they say in the church’s defense is good material for F&T Sunday, and a pat on the back.
But the Born-agains defend their version of faith just because they like to be labelled as Bold in the Faith, and it seems to give them a good excuse to fight (for the Lords sake).
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: Cheryl ( ) Date: September 25, 2010 09:32PM Yes, I know about those other religious fanatics.
You’re right. My husband’s parents were Church of God and their best freinds were Assembly of God. I’ve taught quite a few Muslim kiddies in public school.
Baptists cover a very wide range from reasonable to extremist, like the Hellfire guy at your work. Sorry you’ve had to deal with so many of these types, but I think you’d agree that it’s better to work with them than to have to have interviews and take callings from them.
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: balard123 ( ) Date: September 25, 2010 11:53PM Re: I’m not here “to deliver a punch” or to avoid offending mormons. LOL!
Cheryl
You have always been, and will always be the voice of reason. A writer of experience and wisdom born. Anything less from all who contribute, this board would not be what it is today. A place of hope, dreams and promise of a new day…..I know put a lid on it Bal
But in all honesty you are one of the great contributors to this board and no one can take that away
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: Cheryl ( ) Date: September 26, 2010 04:53AM Thank you, Balard.
You made my day. : )
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: libby ( ) Date: September 26, 2010 04:46AM I do not know you Cheryl, but you seem really nice. a Question..
I goggled Cheryl and rfm and got a website that I believe you might be referring to.
The person has a whole transcript of what he said to you 5 years ago, and it sounded really nice. I do not know him or you, but his post from 5 years ago was supportive, complimentary and helpful. It sounds like he had a recent debate with a lady and mentioned your name. I do not get the impression that he was using your name or reputation for negative reasons.
I hope not. You are a nice person. Maybe there has been a misunderstanding. If you re-read what he wrote at the time, it was supportive.
Now I will shut up and butt out of this.
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: Cheryl ( ) Date: September 26, 2010 05:04AM Libby, thank you for agreeing to shut up & butt out.
Probably very good ideas under the circumstances.
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: Nonnie ( ) Date: September 26, 2010 02:23PM Thanks, Libby — I think
I had no idea who or what this thread was about so I googled as you said. After reading his rants, it’s obvious that this guy is nuts. I mean, sure, some posters rub me the wrong way more often than others, but the guy hasn’t gotten over whatever yanked his chain five years ago. Talk about vindictive and obsessive! His over-the-top rantings do nothing to inspire sympathy for him, quite the reverse.
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: Cheryl ( ) Date: September 26, 2010 03:18PM That’s right, Nonnie.
It’s hard to imagine why anyone would save and continue to obsess and rant over a small five year old exchange with strangers on the internet.
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: get her done ( ) Date: September 26, 2010 09:24AM Re: I’m not here “to deliver a punch” or to avoid offending mormons. LOL!
Great comments, please keep them coming.
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( ) Date: September 26, 2010 03:43PM The angry ranting blow heart hates me also! I’m on his #$%#$@$ list too!
Yup, I’m special, right along with Cheryl and Steve B. At least, I’m in good company!LOL
Yup. He’s got me in his cross hairs and what is he gonna do about it. Nuttin. But he did block me from his Facebook page! LOL Ya, like I want to read his *&)()^*(“@!”!!
What a silly whiner.
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( ) Date: September 26, 2010 03:45PM My favorite part? He told all three of us to (language warning)
fuck off, in caps! On the Internet. I’m crackin’ up! ROFLMAO!! What a positive, sweet, lovable guy!
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: Cheryl ( ) Date: September 26, 2010 04:22PM Very strange indeed.
Abusive language from someone who thinks it’s fine to use my name and to copy, keep for five years, lie about, and capitalize on a post that was up for only a couple of hours about a frightening medical emergency in my family.
Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: SusieQ#1 ( ) Date: September 26, 2010 04:01PM This gets worse and worse as he rants at me for pages and pages.
He’ll probably copy and past this and publish it also.
One very angry dude — extremely angry. Scary, actually.
He is LIFTING RFM posts where we are referring to him.
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Options: Reply•Quote Posted by: Susan I/S ( ) Date: September 26, 2010 04:51PM Cheryl has set the record straight.
As she felt she needed to do. Let’s not feed this guy folks.
) that did horrific things, when he did nothing that Joseph Smith didn’t do. It was wrong before he got arrested & STILL WRONG after he got arrested..what does getting arrested for your criminal, vile & immoral actions have to do with anything? 
Utahnite 3:01 pm on February 14, 2011 Permalink | Log in to Reply
By the way, here’s the link to the thread/post I was referring to..it’s STILL posted almost 2 months later…FUCK RFM!! It’s the 12th comment down by “Wajah”.
http://exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,63636,64300
I’d of course like to thank all of you awesome EX-Mormons out there that have strongly supported me & each other & thanked me for what I’m doing over the last almost 6 years now, since I made my discovery of the MORmON fraud.
Amazingly, thanks to all of you, my “Mormon Truth Blog” is still getting an average of 6-10,000 hits a month & my free podcasts located over on itunes & elsewhere on my blogs/websites & many other places, are still being downloaded over 50,000 times a month…I’m amazed..THANKS AGAIN!!
Utahnite 10:38 pm on March 31, 2012 Permalink | Log in to Reply
(I originally wrote this comment back in August of 2011 & I was gonna add more to it & just never had the time & I still don’t..so I will just publish what I’ve already written, so that these pieces of worthless shit can be exposed & especially in order to rile up “Wajah” & all of the other FUCKING losers over in RFM that would suggest that I would turn to physical violence against MORmONS.
The reality is that those who are suggesting I would become physically violent, are actually the ones who would do that & wouldn’t think twice about it & let that be a warning to everyone reading these words. These are very sick, mentally ill, demented & FUCKED up individuals who think like this, most without even knowing who I am. Apparently MORmONISM has done permanent damage to their brains & there is NO HOPE for them!! I’m sure they have many more victims out there & will have many more, that they will proudly slander with smiles on their faces.)
Here’s the original comment by “WAJAH” for those that missed it, before it was deleted, probably very recently(since August 25th, 2011), right after “WAJAH” wrote his comment entitled “Sammy the Utahnight goes apeshit at me and RFM on his blog!”, which has also now been deleted..HMM!! Yeah, somebody read what he wrote, looked at me blog, followed the link & said to themselves, “HOLY SHIT” & couldn’t hit the delete button quick enough! Of course, that now makes me look like a lying dumb shit & nobody can figure out why I was so fucking pissed off…yeah, I just made it all up of course, because I have nothing else to do!
Re: Cops Kill man @ West Jordan Temple
exmormon.org/phorum/read.php?2,63636,63756,quote=1
20 posts – 17 authors – Last post: Dec 26, 2010
Posted by: Wajah ( ) Date: December 25, 2010 11:49PM. Re: Cops Kill man @ West Jordan Temple. I wonder if it was Samuel the Utahnite?
Still found at:
http://www.google.com/search?q=wajah+site%3Aexmormon.org&hl=en&qscrl=1&nord=1&rlz=1T4TSNA_enUS359US359&biw=1396&bih=585&num=10&lr=&ft=i&cr=&safe=off&tbs=
(By the way, the above link now no longer works either..every comment below is 100% accurate & the way it was posted on RFM, as approved by Susan IS & everyone else in control of that place!!)
I’m also still waiting for a response to my original challenge in the post:
“I also challenge “Wajah” or anyone else to point out where, over the last 5 1/2 years, in any of my numerous websites or my nearly 100 published podcast episodes & nearly 300 blogpost entries or anywhere else I’ve left comments; where I’ve ever encouraged or condoned any type of physical violence against MORmON members, leaders or their buildings.
Good fucking luck losers because you won’t find it..in fact, you’ll find just the opposite.”
What, no takers? No proof? No evidence? FUCKING LOSERS!! FUCKING COWARDS!! At least admit that you GOT GOT & that I’ve exposed your public lies & bullshit, just like I have with MORmONISM!!
Oh yeah & just because he put a
at the end doesn’t mean he was joking(rather hiding his absolute RAGE behind a pathetic & false attempt at humor), further confirmed by his latest comments, supporting & adding to his previous comment about me becoming a future mass murderer of Mormons. It is absolute libel & the defamation of my character. If I were using my actual name or wanted to reveal my real name & this asshole made these insane & reckless accusations against me…we’d be face to face in a court of law & I would absolutely sue the fucking shit out of him & I’d easily win. I would’ve also sued RFM creater Eric & his sidekick Susan I/S for allowing the comments to be posted & then archived on the site until August 25th.
Susan pretends to be terrified of lawsuits & has Eric’s back(her excuse & explanation for having to delete my comments or any comments supporting me)…but she seriously fucked up this time, didn’t she, allowing her personal bias & intense hatred of me to overrule her common sense & decency, by allowing those comments to sit on RFM for 9 months…OOPS!
At least you losers can’t do a FUCKING thing about what I post on my site, especially since EVERYTHING I say is the 100% TRUTH about you & your actions, something you’re not familiar with or interested in, at least when it comes to me or anyone else that speaks THE TRUTH about how RFM is run & who is allowed to break the rules whenever they want & say or do whatever they want VS. those of us that are banned for speaking THE TRUTH & challenging the pathetic fucks who are running the place & using two sets of rules, just like the GODDAMN MORmON CULT, that we escaped!
This person, “WAJAH” obviously hates & despises me intensely for their own fucked up reasons & insecurities(none of which I know or understand or that they’ve even attempted to explain, which is also fine with all of their followers, who just go along with it, with no idea why…LOL!) & has a very personal grudge against me, to have said any of these things about me & feel good & boastful about them, while STILL SAYING THEM 9 months later, as this happened back in December! I would’ve posted my original response sooner, but didn’t have the time until February.
I openly challenge anyone out there to actually defend what he said about me before & now again & then criticize me for my strong response & defense of myself. I’m the bad guy? REALLY? Someone says libelous things about me & I’m the bad guy eh? Who wouldn’t strongly defend themself against a complete anonymous ASSHOLE, making wild, wreckless & unfounded accusations about them or someone that they know & respect, that are utterly false & twisted beyond belief? Only patheticly weak people or pussies wouldn’t defend themselves!
Would you out there reading this, care if someone refered to you as a future mass murderer of Mormons & put it out there on the Internet for thousands of people to read, when you’ve spent countless thousands of hours helping people for 6 years to leave MORmONISM?! All it takes in our society today, is ONE ASSHOLE to make false accusations & the pathetic flock follow & believe anything that anyone says…very sad! Does anyone even have a fucking brain anymore?
So WOW, after how many months, “WAJAH”(BRING IT ON DUDE!) finally woke up & noticed what I said about him/her in response to their libel.(I assume it’s a guy, being the complete asshole that they are!) I first want to thank Zeezroom for being the loan wolf or black sheep of RFM, by actually expressing some kind words in defense of me & trying to put some logical perspective on the situation or at least trying to explain where I was coming from & being honest about how I helped him, which is probably what got the threat deleted in the first place, as saying ANYTHING nice about me is strictly forbidden & it’s no longer on RFM, along with “WAJAH’S” original comment, which HAS NOW BEEN DELETED IN RFM.
Thanks to Google cache(RFM’s biggest enemy when they try to Whitewash their history like the MORmON Hierarchy..LOL!), I was able to rescue some of what was said, including “Wajah” supporting his original comment about me, by saying “Your obvious mental instability makes it entirely possible that you’re capable of armed violence” & “I predict that Sammy will be the next whackjob to go postal at a Mormon gathering.” What evidence do you have of my “mental instability?” My anger towards MORmONISM & COMPLETE ASSHOLES LIKE YOU? If anyone is mentally unstable, it’s clearly you, assuming that a complete stranger will “go postal” & start mass murdering MORmONS, simply because they stand up strongly to injustice & LYING, DECEITFUL ASSHOLES! Is that the “mental instability” that you refer to? You goaded me? LMMFAO!!!!!
Who is this SICK MOTHER FUCKER anyway? And who are you stupid fucks that are piling on & following him, without even turning on your brain for ONE SECOND? You’re all pathetic!! Anyone that goes around predicting that people they don’t even know a little bit, will be the next person to mass murder Mormons & commit “ARMED VIOLENCE” is a very MENTALLY ILL & SICK FUCK & so are those that support this kind of bullshit & defend him & add to whatever it is this sick fuck is saying! In reality, I baited you asshole, into exposing who you really are & I seriously doubt that you’ll really have many defenders in RFM or elsewhere, unless you leave a bunch of anonymous comments as different people. I don’t know who you are, but I’ve got some very good ideas!
Zeezrom is a GREAT GUY & we’ve talked & corresponded over the years. I greatly appreciate all that he’s done to help extricate people out of the cult & expose its fraud, despite never even being a MORmON. He has done far more than many Ex-Mormons & so thank you Zeezrom for all that you have done & do!
Zeezrom, I know that you know why I feel the way I do about RFM(I really hate it when people can’t even think for themselves & just follow along with whatever some assholes says & pile on, not even fucking knowing what they’re talking about! They spent too damn long in the cult & I guess are trained to be nothing but sheep & followers..NO CURE FOR THEM!), as clearly documented on my Mormon Truth Blog & that I don’t refer to everyone in the place as assholes(I’ve pointed out repeatedly how many great people there are there, including many that helped me), rather a few pathetic individuals starting at the TOP, that have destroyed the place & turned it into a complete joke & I’m sure you read the part where I said: “I’d of course like to thank all of you awesome EX-Mormons out there that have strongly supported me & each other & thanked me for what I’m doing over the last almost 6 years now, since I made my discovery of the MORmON fraud.”
Drop me an Email sometime or audio mail & maybe we can have another Skype chat..I hope that you’re well & thanks for the recent comments over on Youtube, I really appreciate it…just been too busy lately to be able to do much.
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Posted by: Wajah ( )
Date: August 25, 2011 07:51AMSammy the Utahnight goes apeshit at me and RFM on his blog!
Check out Sammy’s blog for 2-14-11.
I couldn’t have said it better myself, Sammy! That was exactly what I hoped you’d say, and your craziness helped me goad you into it. Your obvious mental instability makes it entirely possible that you’re capable of armed violence.
Go look in a mirror!
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Posted by: Gay Philosopher ( )
Date: August 25, 2011 08:15AMRe: Sammy the Utahnight goes apeshit at me and RFM on his blog!
http://exposingmormons.com/2011/02/
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Posted by: Wajah ( )
Date: August 25, 2011 08:51AMRe: Sammy the Utahnight goes apeshit at me and RFM on his blog!
I predict that Sammy will be the next whackjob to go postal at a Mormon gathering.
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Posted by: Wajah ( )
Date: August 25, 2011 09:06AMRe: Sammy the Utahnight goes apeshit at me and RFM on his blog!
Let this be a lesson to Sammy and everyone else not to pick on sweet old ladies.
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Posted by: The StalkerDog™ ( )
Date: August 25, 2011 09:16AMThis guy is seriously lacking something in his diet!!!
Fiber maybe??
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Posted by: Hervey Willets (future murderer and arsonist) ( )
Date: August 25, 2011 09:44AMRe: This guy is seriously lacking something in his diet!!!
Fiber maybe??
Fat-soluble or moral? I recall listening to some of this guy’s podcasts 5 0r 6 years ago, and he struck me as someone frozen at the social and intellectual level of a 14 year old. I hope he hits puberty soon.
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Posted by: AtheistMarine ( )
Date: August 25, 2011 09:33AMRe: Sammy the Utahnight goes apeshit at me and RFM on his blog!
Wow, I had no idea that guy could be such an ass.
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Posted by: zeezrom ( )
Date: August 25, 2011 10:02AMSamuel the Utahnight has been a great help for me and I’ve spoken to him personally in the past over Skype.He was genuinely trying to help as many people as he could who were going through the same thing as he was at the time.
I don’t believe his aggressive comments are any more than just that. In a way I can understand why he gets mad with TBM’s etc in general, however I don’t know the full reason/context as to why he would say such things about RFM as I am very grateful for this website and the valuable contributions everyone has made.
His podcasts showed me just how desperate an ordeal of discovering his church is a fraud he was going through and likely still is where family and friends are looking at him as some kind of Satan etc.
Had I been a dedicated BIC, mission served, Tithe Paying Mormon and discovered the Crap of it all then maybe I too would be VERY angry and very sensitive and yes who wouldn’t feel like smashing the odd window in an LDS building etc or better still a GA’s nose!. As it happens my own experience was less destructive albeit a very painful one for me.
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Posted by: deconverted2010 ( )
Date: August 25, 2011 10:09AMRe: Sammy the Utahnight goes apeshit at me and RFM on his blog!
What is the responding to? He has a link to a post here but I don’t see anything mentioned about him or any posts by wajah.
I’ve read his blogs and I like him, I especially like his name.
Can someone tell me what happened? please and thanks
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Posted by: bignevermo ( )
Date: August 25, 2011 10:28AMi believe he used to post here….
dont remember him too much…but i do remember the name….. this aint the guy thats in the service that is a Native American is it??? i dont think so…but somewhat similar name…. although way different attitude….. his anger is understandable…but i think it is eating him up!! anyway…was wajah’s post deleted? cause i dont see anything by that entity on the thread that SU posted!